Puppet or Leader???

[dumbass]

Serious question. Am I the only person that is beginning to believe that our President is no more than a puppet, the face of something larger than himself, being controlled and orchestrated by, what I call, puppeteers?

When I see him, in my mind's eye, I see the a high-tech version of the marionette strings that made Howdy Doody seem real, when I was a kid, creating the same sense of reality for the president.

[pgh69]

Originally Posted by dumbass

Am I the only person that is beginning to believe that our President is no more than a puppet

As far as I know, yes, you are the only person.

Originally Posted by dumbass

When I see him, in my mind's eye, I see the a high-tech version of the marionette strings that made Howdy Doody seem real, when I was a kid, creating the same sense of reality for the president.

What in the world would lead you to that absurd conclusion? What an imagination you have. When the facts don't fit your narrative, imagine a vast, complex conspiracy. But don't keep us in suspense...please share with us the ultimate goals of this mysterious cabal that is really running America.

[madmax]

Originally Posted by pgh69

As far as I know, yes, you are the only person.

The funny thing is Obama's predecessor was deemed a figurehead by some with a lot more behind it.

George Bush was groomed for quite a while by a team (some ended up in his cabinet) before his run. The power weilded by Cheney also feeds into this theory.

The neocons had an agenda. Two of their main goals came to pass: the Bush Tax Cuts and the Iraq war.

[DonH]

Originally Posted by dumbass

Serious question. Am I the only person that is beginning to believe that our President is no more than a puppet, the face of something larger than himself, being controlled and orchestrated by, what I call, puppeteers?

When I see him, in my mind's eye, I see the a high-tech version of the marionette strings that made Howdy Doody seem real, when I was a kid, creating the same sense of reality for the president.

When I worked in the corporate world we called guys like him "suits". Looks real good, delivers a polished speech, charismatic smile.......all fluff and no stuff! I would love to turn off his teleprompter or put some people in the press pool that ask serious questions.

[hrdguera]

When this stuff is all over the President will not be known for anything important, amazing, or even for the fact that he is the first African-American President.

He will be known as the asshole that is best at spending other people's money and nothing else.

I will probably even forget the part about other people's money.

I am so disgusted over the outcome of the Holiday's negotiations plus the fact that no one, absolutely no one was willing to stand up against him and his foppish Senate leader.
The time for a change was in November but it seems enough people were drinking the "Kool-Aid" bought with other people's money that they must have believed that we really can spend ourselves into prosperity.

[madmax]

Originally Posted by hrdguera

When this stuff is all over the President will not be known for anything important, amazing, or even for the fact that he is the first African-American President.

He will be known as the asshole that is best at spending other people's money and nothing else.

I will probably even forget the part about other people's money.

I am so disgusted over the outcome of the Holiday's negotiations plus the fact that no one, absolutely no one was willing to stand up against him and his foppish Senate leader.
The time for a change was in November but it seems enough people were drinking the "Kool-Aid" bought with other people's money that they must have believed that we really can spend ourselves into prosperity.

The negotiations reflected the will of the people. Get over it, or move to Mexico.
Maybe one of your New Years resolutions should have been to quit sniffing glue.

"Spending other peoples' money".. that's a good one! Reagan was the one that sent us on this spending trajectory, for decades before that we were paying down our debt until he opened the spending floodgates (remember Dick Cheney's famous line - "Reagan proved deficits don't matter")... but he is not an "asshole"... W sent us back into deficit spending, crashed the economy... but he is not labeled as an "asshole" that spends other peoples' money.

New year, same lack of perspective and snarky sour grapes whining from HG.

[madmax]

Originally Posted by DonH

When I worked in the corporate world we called guys like him "suits". Looks real good, delivers a polished speech, charismatic smile.......all fluff and no stuff! I would love to turn off his teleprompter or put some people in the press pool that ask serious questions.

That happens at every press conference.
It happened in the Meet the Press interview just days ago. Pay attention.

[dumbass]

Originally Posted by pgh69

As far as I know, yes, you are the only person.

Than perhaps you live either a sheltered life or you're naive. I've heard other people express similar concerns on several occasions.

What in the world would lead you to that absurd conclusion? What an imagination you have. When the facts don't fit your narrative, imagine a vast, complex conspiracy. But don't keep us in suspense...please share with us the ultimate goals of this mysterious cabal that is really running America.

What part does my narrative play in my original question? I asked for opinions and you offered yours.

Do I understand correctly from your comment that, your belief is, it's an IMPOSSIBILITY that there may be an organized, clandestine group of powerful people that exert influence over our government and/or the elected officials thereof?

Not surprisingly MadMax offered:

Originally Posted by madmax

The funny thing is Obama's predecessor was deemed a figurehead by some with a lot more behind it.

George Bush was groomed for quite a while by a team ....

which is illustrative that some believe in the existence of or the possibility that, there could be a conspiratorial theme or grand plan to influence or "GROOM" our officials to suit their agenda.

[Grandpa_Dave]

Damn the Torpedoes... Full Speed Ahead. Tax and Spend and FUCK the Country. Obama is well on his way to destroy the Republic.

What the Hell, not only tax and spend but borrow more from China to feed the Nanny-State.

It's live for moment and the Hell with the future generations.

[madmax]

Its not my theory... and it is not so "clandestine"...

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/16/wo...ted=all&src=pm

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/...on.bush.brain/

The reality is that every president is the quarterback of the team. The modern presidency needs to operate this way... leading some to call them a "figurehead". While Bush lacked intellectual depth, he was "the decider". An awkward phrase but accurate. There is a lot of evidence to suggest that Cheney wielded too much power in the Bush admin, reinforcing that "who is in charge" uneasy feeling.

The whole election and financing system is rigged to set up someone who is "electable". So it is not a question of whether or not some rich and powerful interests are TRYING to exert influence - they always have. The question is whether they DO control those in power.