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[emilynghiem]

Originally Posted by Wallis

Who gives a fuck about forgiveness!

If people didn't take offense at everything in the first place, there would be no need for forgiveness!

Taking offense is caused by not forgiving past things the
new incidents remind us of. So it's a vicious cycle.
the more we forgive the past, we can forgive anything or
ANYONE who reminds us of those things. No offense would be taken,
jsut compassion and understanding that the other person is rpojecting
something, so that would no longer offend us.

Originally Posted by wallis

And if people want to wallow in the past, that's their problem. The past is finished. Caput! Dead! Never happened.

Yes, that is what I am saying. It is that person's problem and when
they project it, it becomes other people's problem to forgive, etc.

Originally Posted by wallis

It's time people started using their superior intellect and stop living soap opera lives and start living in the present.

Agreed, that is what I am saying. The more we can forgive the past we can make more of the present and envision and work toward a better future.
TOGETHER not divided by past perceptions of people or groups.

Originally Posted by wallis

Life is what it is. Accept it and stop trying to change it. You are the only person you can change in any respect.

Jesus Criminey! Can't you just be happy?

Agree again! that is what everyone is working on, not just me.
We are trying to be at peace with what's going on.
And we point out areas we could do something to reconcile
so we can be on the same page and be more at peace.
our perceptions are changing to include each other more
isntead of being divided by perception.

Wallis the change is mutual, as anything changes
it affects both people in a relationship. and collectively
it influences the world around us.

I agree with you Wallis!
And the more you and I agree, this gets solidified and
it is reinforced around us, also. This is how consensus grows.
and more people will do what you described and "let go" (so more ppl can work together as I said). Thanks, W! We ARE talking about the same process.

And Wouldhe says:
Whew!

[emilynghiem]

Originally Posted by OneArm

You keep using the phrase, fake god. What makes his god any less real than yours? Both have the same amount of evidence that they exist. The only difference between his god and yours, is you.

Sapphire: do you mean "false authority"

OneArm: with my Muslim friends who are peaceful and inclusive, we agree we are focused on the right God or universal authority/truth.

With Muslims who are retributive or exclusively teaching that "other people are teaching Jesus wrong, etc.," we are not on the same page, so both are complaining that the OTHER GROUP is following a "FALSE AUTHORITY"

Is this what you are asking, how does Sapphire know she is not following a false authority herself?

And I ask the same of my friends who ask how can the Christians be following the Bible if they keep being so retributive and judgmental of others.

[Sapphire]

Originally Posted by emilynghiem

And I ask the same of my friends who ask how can the Christians be following the Bible if they keep being so retributive and judgmental of others.

YOU DON'T KNOW THE WORD OF GOD.

1 Corinthians 6:2-4

New King James Version

2. Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3. Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? 4. If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge?

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[evileye]

Originally Posted by Sapphire

YOU DON'T KNOW THE WORD OF GOD.

1 Corinthians 6:2-4

New King James Version

2. Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3. Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? 4. If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge?

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Matthew 7-1

[Wallis]

Originally Posted by Sapphire

YOU DON'T KNOW THE WORD OF GOD.


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And neither do you.


Keep your perverted, hate-filled beliefs to yourself, and stop walking around as if you God's personal judge and jury on everyone else.

[Sapphire]

Originally Posted by evileye

Matthew 7-1

JESUS IS TALKING ABOUT FELLOW BELIEVERS IN MATTHEW CHAPTER 7.
A BROTHER IS A BELIEVER!

Matthew 7:1-6

New King James Version


1. “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3. And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4. Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5. Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."


(THE UNBELIEVER)
6. “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces."


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[Wallis]

Originally Posted by Sapphire

JESUS IS TALKING ABOUT FELLOW BELIEVERS IN MATTHEW CHAPTER 7.
A BROTHER IS A BELIEVER!

Matthew 7:1-6

New King James Version


1. “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3. And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4. Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5. Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."


(THE UNBELIEVER)
6. “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces."


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So, when are you going to remove the plank from your own eye? We are all on pins and needles waiting.

Your plank is the way you have colored people and your prideful sin of daring to name people "goats" and "sheep."

If only you understood the Judaic meaning of goats and sheep, you might have an inkling of what was being talked about and promoted.

[Sapphire]

Originally Posted by Wallis

So, when are you going to remove the plank from your own eye? We are all on pins and needles waiting.

Your plank is the way you have colored people and your prideful sin of daring to name people "goats" and "sheep."

If only you understood the Judaic meaning of goats and sheep, you might have an inkling of what was being talked about and promoted.

You're NOT my brother in Christ. you're a goat/unbeliever.

Jesus called the unbelievers goats. And He will in fact separate the sheep/believers from the goats/unbelievers. It is Written and is the Word of Jesus Himself.

You reject Jesus. And you cannot KNOW HIM, because serve a god of your own making.



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[santana3]

The problem you have in general

You do not want to be bound by any religious principles

Want to live on the personal whims

Question here
Why are you on the surface of the earth?




please listen well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EmsvqBdNmg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1DhDh51-nw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUyUa4-sJKY


Do not fool yourself



(67) O Messenger, announce that which has been revealed to you from your Lord, and if you do not, then you have not conveyed His message. And Allah will protect you from the people. Indeed, Allah does not guide the disbelieving people.


So
What is the purpose of your presence on the surface of the earth?

What is the benefit of sending prophets and messengers?

You say I'm good
But
Do not lie - do not commit adultery - do not eat pork - do not drink wine - and so
There are a lot of things do
Taboo in religions

You live the earth created by allah
Therefore
You must carry out his orders


I can simply explain to you
Example
You go to work every day
You know that there are rules and laws to work
If those laws violated
Will be expelled

Do you want to lose your job?

Such as this example of human life in this world

Should the human commitment to the teachings of God through the prophets and messengers
From Adam to Muhammad, peace be upon them companions

Human life can not on the ground without God's teachings

What will he do after death?
- You must know that you will be asked in the Hereafter for all your words and actions

Must be prepared
If you want happiness and salvation in this world and the Hereafter
Through the unification of God and follow prophet, Muhammad peace be upon him, and that Isa(Jesus) Abd Allah and His Messenger


Do not want to carry out God's orders

You are free to do that
so

do not die
, If you can

allah guide you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r4ek2TVsqA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeJr-9OZb9I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOjhDBF2zhM
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285. . The Messenger (Muhammad ) believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers. Each one believes in Allah, His Angels, His Books, and His Messengers. They say, "We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers" - and they say, "We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your Forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all)."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8xkh5YvKnI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WRQUyrN0pk

[Sapphire]

Having briefly reviewed some of the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church concerning the papacy, the question is whether those teachings are in agreement with Scripture. The Roman Catholic Church sees the papacy and the infallible teaching authority of “Mother Church” as being necessary to guide the church, and uses that as logical reasoning for God’s provision of it. But in examining Scripture, we find the following:

1) While Peter was central in the early spread of the gospel (part of the meaning behind Matthew 16:18-19), the teaching of Scripture, taken in context, nowhere declares that he was in authority over the other apostles or over the church (see Acts 15:1-23; Galatians 2:1-14; 1 Peter 5:1-5). Nor is it ever taught that the bishop of Rome was to have primacy over the church. Rather, there is only one reference in Scripture of Peter writing from “Babylon,” a name sometimes applied to Rome, found in 1 Peter 5:13. Primarily from this, and the historical rise of the influence of the bishop of Rome (due to the support of Constantine and the Roman emperors who followed him), come the Roman Catholic Church’s teaching of the primacy of the bishop of Rome. However, Scripture shows that Peter’s authority was shared by the other apostles (Ephesians 2:19-20) and that the “loosing and binding” authority attributed to him was likewise shared by the local churches, not just their church leaders (see Matthew 18:15-19; 1 Corinthians 5:1-13; 2 Corinthians 13:10; Titus 2:15; 3:10-11).

2) Nowhere does Scripture state that in order to keep the church from error, the authority of the apostles was passed on to those they ordained (the idea behind apostolic succession). Apostolic succession is “read into” those verses that the Roman Catholic Church uses to support this doctrine (2nd Timothy 2:2; 4:2-5; Titus 1:5; 2:1; 2:15; 1 Timothy 5:19-22). What Scripture DOES teach is that false teachings would arise even from among church leaders and that Christians were to compare the teachings of these later church leaders with Scripture, which alone is cited in the Bible as infallible. The Bible does not teach that the apostles were infallible, apart from what was written by them and incorporated into Scripture. Paul, in talking to the church leaders in the large city of Ephesus, makes note of coming false teachers. To fight against their error does NOT commend them to “the apostles and those who would carry on their authority,” but rather to “God and to the word of His grace” (Acts 20:28-32).

Again, the Bible teaches that it is Scripture that is to be used as measuring stick to determine truth from error. In Galatians 1:8-9, Paul states that it is not WHO teaches but WHAT is being taught that is to be used to determine truth from error. While the Roman Catholic Church continues to pronounce a curse to hell, or “anathema,” upon those who would reject the authority of the pope, Scripture reserves that curse for those who would teach a different gospel (Galatians 1:8-9).

3) While the Roman Catholic Church sees apostolic succession as logically necessary in order for God to unerringly guide the church, Scripture states that God has provided for His church through the following:

(a) Infallible Scripture, (Acts 20:32; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Matthew 5:18; John 10:35; Acts 17:10-12; Isaiah 8:20; 40:8; etc.) Note: Peter speaks of Paul’s writings in the same category as other Scripture (2 Peter 3:16),

(b) Christ’s unending high-priesthood in heaven (Hebrews 7:22-28),

(c) The provision of the Holy Spirit who guided the apostles into truth after Christ’s death (John 16:12-14), who gifts believers for the work of the ministry, including teaching (Romans 12:3-8; Ephesians 4:11-16), and who uses the written word as His chief tool (Hebrews 4:12; Ephesians 6:17).

While there have been good (humanly speaking) and moral men who have served as pope of the Roman Catholic Church, including Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI, the Roman Catholic Church teaching about the office of the pope should be rejected because it is not “in continuity” with the teachings of the original church related to us in the New Testament. This comparison of any church’s teaching is essential, lest we miss the New Testament’s teaching concerning the gospel, and not only miss eternal life in heaven ourselves, but unwittingly lead others down the wrong path (Galatians 1:8-9).

Recommended Resources: Logos Bible Software and The Gospel According to Rome: Comparing Catholic Tradition and the Word of God by James McCarthy.

www.GotQuestions.org

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